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Monster Discussion / Re: Monster High Collector's Dolls Coming Soon?
« on: April 19, 2020, 08:53:52 PM »
The idea that Mattel would scrap their new collector dolls they were going to announce at SDCC just because the SDCC plans changed is pretty silly considering we have a blueprint of what Mattel would do in such a situation.

Namely, the 2017 Ghoulia/Cleo 2-Pack which was scheduled to be that year's SDCC release but due to changing plans ended up being sold on MattyCollector/Mattel Shop instead.

What happened to that 2pack would happen to these potential dolls, I would assume.

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Monster Discussion / Re: Overlooked G2 dolls
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:18:22 PM »
I honestly felt that some of the characters benefitted big-time from the G2 style. Draculaura and Frankie, in particular. Don't get me wrong; I loved the original faces. But a lot of the characters never looked like kids in their mid-teens to me in G1. G2's face style was more fitting for teenage characters, IMO.

Big agree on Draculaura, her G2 faceup really fit her since her cutesy "genki girl" personality really fit those big, wide eyes.

And yeah, while a lot of people hated it at the time, I really liked how Cleo got molded bandages, Clawdeen & Howleen got molded fur (but not Clawd for some reason) and Lagoona got molded scales. The big issue with some of them (like Cleo's bandages or Frankie's stitches) is that the details weren't painted so they looked like weird lesions on the skin. Cleo's bandages would have worked better if they were a light shade than her skintone and Frankie's stitches should have been painted like they were back in G1

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Monster Discussion / Re: What characters are missing from your collection?
« on: February 14, 2020, 03:32:44 PM »
I need to get Treesa, who I should have nabbed when I had the chance.

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Monster Discussion / Re: Overlooked G2 dolls
« on: February 12, 2020, 04:20:43 PM »
Party Hair Dracularua, despite having unarticulated arms, is a *really* stunning doll.

And Shriekwrecked is basically a G1 line.

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Monster Discussion / Re: The death of Monster High
« on: January 25, 2020, 08:10:46 PM »
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I'm glad to see someone else feels the reboot was a last ditch effort to save a lagging line. MH was going to die out either way because parents weren't buying them anymore and collectors cannot sustain a playline priced doll line. I'm surprised you didn't mention Electrified as one of the good reboot lines. The line had full articulation on all but the gimmick Frankie, detailed outfits, and a really unique hair type.

The interesting thing is that I remember talk around G2 from the time it was around about how G2 was a desperate attempt for MH to say relevant in the new era and try to appeal to a younger crowd because the sales were waning and "spooky dolls" was going out of fashion and the core audience wasn't buying them as much anymore.

I remember threads here during that time talking about how G2 was a bare faced attempt to try to revitalize a fading franchise. It's just kinda funny to me that people forget that MH was receiving a lot of criticism even before G2 completely killed dead a lot of interest.

As for electrified... I do own some dolls (the Cleo and Silvi), but I find the dress quality lacking and the crimped hair gimmick relatively uninspired to the previous gimmicks of like, ghosts and seamonsters.

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There is no way in hell I'm parting with my girls. In fact, the only reason most of my dolls in storage are because I just don't have the space to display them. And that when I get my own place, you better bet your butt that my room would be filled with dolls galore.

I haven't really been buying anymore though, because I'm pretty content with where I am with my collection. I have bought the last two Frightmares I was missing (Penepole Steamtail and Skyra Bouncegait), and I plan on getting the last few MH dolls in my collection that I want (check my wishlist in the sig!), but then I will be content. May try to get the SDCC Cerise Badwolf though (and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Daring).

I tend to rotate my collections around because of limited space. I currently have all my Novi Stars, Cleo and Ghoulia SDCC and my Alice in Wonderland EAH dolls on display, but I'm going to rotate them soon. Probably to my Shriekwrecked dolls. 

I've been selling my other collections though. Got rid of all my Shoppies and Shopkins bar three, sold off all my Twosies and LOL Surprise dolls (which I never really was passionate about in the first place?) and making way for my other passions. Anime figures, the new OMG dolls (just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in), trying to collect the rest of the Zelfs I want. That stuff.

All in all, I have no interest in selling my MH collection. And their storage status is less to do with disinterest and focus on other things and more just, space.

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Monster Discussion / Re: The death of Monster High
« on: January 12, 2020, 07:21:48 PM »
It's no surprise that G2 was the stake through the heart that cause the death spiral of the franchise, but as Fantoma said, the warning signs could easily be seen beforhand. I want to say around 2014-2015 mark before the eventual reboot, potentially even 2013.

The first thing was that MH started introducing heaps of new characters. Pretty much every new line had at least one new character - and the ones associated with the big specials would have at least 3. These characters would seldom get subsequent releases, and in some way new character releases lost the power they once had - even with stellar designs like Vandela, Marisol and Gooliope. People didn't have time to connect to all these new characters that seldom got another chance.

This coincide with the absolute deluge of both deluxe and budget lines of the characters that did have subsequent merch, which probably created an Overchoice response from the main audience overwhelmed with all these new dolls that they had no chance of keeping up with. I mean, if you're a parent looking for a "Draculaura" and there are 8 bajillion Draculaura dolls on the market, it's gonna get overwhelming pretty fast.

(You could make a case for the overexposure of certain characters like Lala could have been a factor, but that got exponentially worse in G2. But it was definitely something that started in G1)

And the dip in quality control could definitely be felt before G2, in part because of all these new lines being pushed out in high speed. Glue seepage, bad hair quality, clothes being of a cheaper quality, lots of eye wonk. This also lead to the brand being cheapened in the eyes of collector crowd, and it wouldn't surprise me if the casual buyer would feel it too.

And then there were Mattel's internal business politics. MH's spinoff EAH is linked to Mattel losing the Disney Princess license to Hasbro, due to Disney planning their own "children of fairytale characters" dolline with Descendants and EAH regarded as being seen by Disney as a "heck you" move (and probably the reason why EAH never caught off like MH did. Because at the end of the day, what are kid('s parents) more likely to buy? A high quality doll, pricier with lots of details from a new brand? Or a cheaper, less detailed doll associated with an establish, popular brand they already know?) . This took a massive slice of the market away from Mattel and made them more reliant on their homegrown lines like EAH and MH.

And as QueenGab mentioned, MH was eating away at the sales of their Pet brand Barbie. And Mattel would never let their queen take a hit. While I don't think Mattel deliberately sabotaged the line, I do feel it did take resources away from MH to go back to propping up Barbie again.

G2 specifically is interesting. As mentioned, the "monster" craze spurned on by the success of Twilight and other Paranormal Romance YA novels of the same era had fizzled out by the time G2 started rolling around, and traditional "softer" subjects like unicorns and pastel mermaids with doe-eyed faces were back in. So G2 tried to adapt to the times and make the line softer and more "accessible" in this new age. Softer faces, softer subject matters for the doll lines (especially traditional family stuff and pushing baby characters) just - softer in general to appeal to a younger audience and get some of that mojo back.

But the old adage of "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no-one" rings true. The people who came for Monster High didn't like the new babyfication and the cheapness that came with it (moulded tops, stiff unjointed limbs, lack of accessories, cheap clothes, uninteresting designs), and the people who would be interested had other lines that appealed to them more fully. G2 MH had no market, and that's what killed it in the end.

You could also point to the fact that blind bag toys were starting to catch on around the end of G1/start of G2, which was cannibalizing all traditional toy lines even before LOL and Hatchimals came out and absolutely dominated the scene, causing everyone and their mother to want to get in on that gravy train. Even MH tried to get in on it with the MH Minis, but even that couldn't save them in the end.

But nothing is to last forever. All franchises have peaks and valleys, and MH couldn't stay top of the king heap forever. A decline was inevitable because growth isn't exponential, though the sheer cratering of the franchise is a surprise.

And despite myself, I think there was some good stuff in G2. I feel Shriekwrecked was the last truly great line (in part because it was a G1 line too far into production to actually scrap when the reboot happened, so they had to make it with close to G1 quality but with the new G2 faceups) and was even better than some of the previous G1 lines before the reboot, and there were definitely some good dolls in there, even if you had to rebody some of them to get that old articulation. Moanica D'kay, Party Hair Lala, Garden Ghouls, Music Class Cleo etc. I even liked the "controversial" change that added detail like fur and scales to some of the girls. Most of G2 was utter crap though.

And all is not lost for traditional toylines, I feel. Despite the... controversial nature of the LOL Surprise dolls and their impact on the toy market as a whole, the newly launched OMG line has detailed quality clothes, actual fabric pieces where you'd typically expect molded tops (like the underwear!), 9 points of articulation (with just the click joint knees holding back) and a great assortment of small, detailed accessories like necklaces and earrings. If they do well, which they should being associate with a monster of a brand like LOL, I feel like we could see a new rise in quality traditional dolls again, even if they're not as "spooky" or "weird & wonderful" oriented as the dolls that came out during the MH craze were.

Would I like to see a G3? Yeah, sure, probably. I'm not sure how interested I'd be considering how G2 burned me, but I would be interested in seeing how they could capture that crazy flare that made MH so wonderfully unique in the first place.

If they can even recapture that flare.

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Buy/Sell/Trades / Looking to buy Music Class Cleo w/Harp! MH Wishlist
« on: January 12, 2020, 06:13:37 PM »
Hi! I am primarily looking to buy a Music Class Cleo with all her accessories, namely the harp! Preferably loose and in good condition, but she's not the only doll I'm looking for.

I'm also looking for (all loose):

- Ballerina Ghouls Cleo
- Treesa Thornwillow
- Shriekwrecked Gooliope

And for non MH dolls

- LOL OMG Royal Bee
- LOL OMG 24k DJ (just her if possible)
- LOL OMG Miss Independent

I am primarily Australian based, but I also have a US address that can be posted to.

I've been lookin for these girls for *years* and would appreciate any help I can get!

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Monster Discussion / Re: MH presence at Toy Fair 2019?
« on: July 11, 2019, 01:01:14 AM »
I feel like any MH reboot might have a stronger focus on blind bag style collectables, considering how popular those are these days (especially those LOL Surprise dolls)

But yeah, I don't expect MH to be revived anytime soon, probably it will be revived when girls find paranormal stuff "cool" again like they did when the first series came out.

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Music Class Cleo. G2 Dolls beyond electrified never made it to Australian stores.

I also regret not picking up Treesa when I lived in the UK.

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Buy/Sell/Trades / LF: Music Class Cleo
« on: December 25, 2018, 06:47:12 PM »
Hi there! I'm looking for the Music Class Cleo doll, full set including Harp.

I'm also looking for nudes/baits of any of the fully articulated G2 Cleo dolls, as well as Treesa and Kelpie (just Kelpie)

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Monster Discussion / Re: What do you like about G2?
« on: March 25, 2018, 12:07:25 AM »
For me, it's:

  • Some of the new face-ups. While most of the times I really did not like the softer faceups for the older characters (Especially for Clawdeen and Cleo... oof), for some characters, in particular Draculaura and Lagoona, the bigger, softer faces made more sense.
  • The molded on body details. I actually love Cleo's bandages and Lagoona's scales and Clawdeen's fur, it brings a lot more life to their characters. I'm not too fond of Frankie's stitches, but that's mostly because the details are unpainted when they should be
  • The Shriekwrecked line was fantastic
  • Rayth is a cutie and I wish he got a nice doll.
  • Moanica was a pretty great character. I also like Kelpie and Treesa too.
  • The sturdier bodies were nice. Didn't have to worry about breaking them as much.
  • The SDCC '17 Ghoulia and Cleo 2-pack is my absolute fave of all the SDCC collector dolls. Zomby Gaga was great as well
  • Speaking of Cleo, I think her Ballerina and Music Class dolls are really pretty... Granted after they have been re-bodied onto an articulate G2 Cleo doll (I feel the same way about that big hair Draculaura doll, who is one of my fave dolls ever once I stuck her onto an Electrified Lala bod)

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Monster Discussion / Re: The ones who didn't make it!
« on: March 24, 2018, 11:55:16 PM »
Quill Talyntino, Rayth, Gory Fangtell, Johnny Spirit and Seth Ptolemy were the first to come to mind to me

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Buy/Sell/Trades / Re: AUSTRALIA: Australian Monster Sightings
« on: March 20, 2018, 10:55:57 AM »
A shame, there are a few dolls I wanna get though (Treesa, Music Class Cleo, Ballerina Cleo and the Upcoming Hoodie Lala and Tea Party Lagoona + maybe Ari Antoinette), but I guess it would be online Int'l imports for those.

Apparently Toy Fair 2018 has put the cap on MH, saying it'll end after everything in the pipeline is cleared out

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Buy/Sell/Trades / Re: AUSTRALIA: Australian Monster Sightings
« on: March 18, 2018, 07:42:12 PM »
I've only recently come back from London to Australia, haven't had the time to look around much for new dolls (I really wanna check out Toymate tho), but it seems nowhere has any MH dolls left anymore, or if they do it's straggling stock. Best offering for any new dolls of interest would be amazon I guess.

Charlestown Square Myers in Newcastle had a bunch of Shoppies and some Kuu Kuu Harajuku tho

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I'm really digging that Draculaura and Lagoona. I like the entire Tea Party line, but considering they don't sell new MH lines in Australia anymore, if I can only get one, I'll get Lagoona.

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Monster Discussion / Re: Monster High Ballet (or Dance?) Line
« on: September 16, 2017, 04:33:01 PM »
The character in the Nutcracker is the Mouse King. A rat king is.. not the same, lol.

Yeah, I know about actual rat kings, but Mouscedes's personality and her love of dancing indicates she's based more off the Mouse King than a "Rat King".

She doesn't have a mess of tails, for one

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Monster Discussion / Re: Monster High Ballet (or Dance?) Line
« on: September 16, 2017, 01:52:24 AM »
I really like that Cleo's faceup, her accessories and her hair but the dress and moulded tights is... :/

I might rebody her and scrap the dress and either buy a custom dress or get an older dress for her (after I budget for Treesa and Music Class Cleo + A Reboot Cleo to rebody her with)

Wait, wouldn't Mouscedes be a good fit for this line? Considering she canonically loves dancing and her Rat King father is implied to be the same as the Rat King from The Nutcracker?

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Honestly, back home (Sydney, Aus), it's not lookin too peachy for MH. Stock has pretty much stagnated; the only trickles we get of new
dolls are the major lines (and sparsely distributed at that), shelf spaces for the line is constantly shrinking with some stores completely devoid of MH now when there used to be at least some and MH dolls everywhere  are shelf sitters (the store I used to work for even  had G&B dolls still in stock!)

I think they've just... cut Australia entirely as a market. Or at least it feels like it

And I'm smad because the one reboot doll I REALLY wanted - Music Class Cleo - never came there.

Can confirm. Haven't seen any new stock since Electrified landed, and that line is already in the Reject Shop for half price. No sign of the new siblings or the fairy line, etc.

I'm not keen on the reboot and likely wouldn't buy much of it, but I am sad to see the brand disappearing entirely. The only store with decent amounts of stock is TRU, and they've "clearanced" everything that they are selling (eg: knocked $5 off and will probably ship it back to the distributor at the end of the month). And their stock is still maybe two dolls per release, through half a dozen releases, and a slew of the two-packs and ILF Iris and Wydowna. So maybe 30 boxes all-up?

The aisle that used to be all MH and EAH is now a tiny sliver of MH, no EAH at all, a bunch of Miraculous Ladybug, a couple of MC2 dolls, the dregs of their Shibajuku Girls stock, and the opposite side is now 100% frozen. It's very sad. I only really go there for Black Series figs, now.

Yeesh. I better get off my butt and try to get Treesa and the bug pixie girls while I'm here in London then.

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Buy/Sell/Trades / Re: LOOKING FOR GRAIL DOLL: Music Class Cleo
« on: August 10, 2017, 06:09:24 PM »
Bump with new doll!

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