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Title: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: SaelaVe on July 19, 2018, 01:19:00 PM
Thought I'd revive the She-Ra topic since new images have surfaced from the series.
The series is set to air on Netflix on November 16th.

I'm not going to lie, my initial feelings regarding the first sketches that we saw was very iffy, but these actually look really good.  It reminds me a lot of Steven Universe's art style.  I'm feeling cautiously optimistic now. lol


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1789/29643507858_de46c79380_o.jpg)
(She-Ra)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/29643508008_a2155ebf65_o.jpg)
(Glimmer, Bow, and Adora)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/838/29643507938_74722f434e_o.jpg)
(Catra and Adora)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/833/29643508128_081e3156f8_o.jpg)
(Bright Moon)


* Images taken from Nerdist (https://nerdist.com/she-ra-and-the-princesses-of-power-first-images/).
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Claire85 on July 19, 2018, 01:22:16 PM
I love the animation personally. I didn’t grow up with SheRa, but I might check this out.

I thought the animation looked like a mix of Steven Universe and modern Studio Ghibli.
It’s very pleasing to the eyes.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Mickey Rumble on July 19, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1789/29643507858_de46c79380_o.jpg)

Wow, Hank Venture's She-Ra cosplay is on point.

Jokes aside, She-Ra looks pretty young so I hope this isn't too 'junior' for me to enjoy.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on July 19, 2018, 02:19:22 PM
Im sorry, I am gonna be a bit of a downer but I dislike it. I have little to no issues with the design elements themselves but I find the charas poorly executed. She-ra shifts between looking like a 16 year old girl and a 10 year old muscle boy. It worries me that so many of the female figures of the new reboots are loosing their femininity.
Dont get me wrong, I am not out to hate it because of nostalgia or something like that, I never watched the original. And there are somethings I do like, like Bows new design. But at the same time... It kinda feel like forced diversity?
Shouldnt it be better to just create a new chara instead and leave all old charas as they are, no matter what race?
I hope noone is gonna take offense to what Im saying, I have no wish to argue or fight, I just wanted state my opinion. I am ok with people liking it and having other opinions on it, and as said there are things I do like but I think they could have been executed better.
Im really sad about this, I wanted to get into the new She-ra cartoon but as it is, I wont be able to.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Knightfire on July 19, 2018, 02:44:07 PM

Wow, Hank Venture's She-Ra cosplay is on point.

And now I will never be able to unsee that!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Lhianneth on July 19, 2018, 05:52:18 PM
I've been cautiously optimistic since the project was announced. I'm still reserving judgement (good or bad) until it's out and ready to watch. It's nice that they're moving away from the 80s designs, in my opinion. I know that they used those designs for ease of animation and toy creation, but animation has moved well past those kinds of tricks.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Crimson Kitty on July 19, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
I like the art style more than I thought I was going to tbh. I don't like how dominant the very cartoony style of art (with unrealistic-proportions and hardly any details, depth, or shading) has become recently. This one is a decent medium. It still lacks the detail and depth, but at least the proportions are more realistic than what is usually seen.

I have to agree with Sakuya on the forced diversity. That's something that bugs me. I would rather them introduce an amazing new character rather than change the race or sexuality of a pre-existing character solely for the diversity aspect.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: roseprincess1 on July 19, 2018, 07:14:20 PM
I wanna see what they have too offer before i make my call.. the animation LOOKS good.. But i need more information at this point.  IF shera is supposed to be like 15.. or so.. i can live with the slimer figure..
She was like 21 in the original series tho.. i would like to see if they are going to make action figures of dolls of this.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Belle Epoque on July 22, 2018, 11:50:59 AM
It worries me that so many of the female figures of the new reboots are loosing their femininity.

The voluminous hair? The ruffle around the waist? She looks like a teenage athlete. That doesn't mean that she's 'loosing her femininity' [sic]. It just means that she doesn't look like a Cosmopolitan covergirl. She's dressed age-appropriately for both the character and the audience, and her body is a more realistic style than chesty, nipped-waist She-ra from the 80s.


Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Monsterfan95 on July 22, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
I think I'm the only one who doesn't like the new animation, it looks like something taken from Cartoon Network  :blink:
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Angelkitty21 on July 22, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
I'm optimistic about this too, storywise. It sounds like the characters are going to be more developed than the original show. The overall look of the show is good too.

She Ra's design though is going to take some getting used to. I finally realized what it reminded me of. XD

(https://i.imgur.com/dTxcXkR.gif)
Seriously though, the completely flat chested look just makes her look preteenish (or boyish if you will), but Adora looks at least like a teen. It kinda feels like they couldn't pin down an age with her. I'm so used to 80s She Ra being firmly an adult figure, so... I dunno. I do appreciate that the design is more interested in making her heroic rather than sexy, I realize that's important.

The headdress bugs me too, I wish they would've stuck closer to the original design. But like I said, just gonna take some getting used to. *Shrug*

I *am* excited for the prospect of new toys, particularly dolls. I also love that Glimmer is curvy  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: RodimusKnight on July 23, 2018, 07:57:49 AM
I think I'm the only one who doesn't like the new animation, it looks like something taken from Cartoon Network  :blink:

Nope, I agree with you. Honestly It's even hard to figure out who the characters are supposed to be in a few cases. I needed someone to tell me the one picture had Glimmer and Bow in them.

Usually I'm pretty good about giving reboots a try, but I think this one is going to be an easy pass for me.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on July 23, 2018, 12:53:06 PM
It worries me that so many of the female figures of the new reboots are loosing their femininity.

The voluminous hair? The ruffle around the waist? She looks like a teenage athlete. That doesn't mean that she's 'loosing her femininity' [sic]. It just means that she doesn't look like a Cosmopolitan covergirl. She's dressed age-appropriately for both the character and the audience, and her body is a more realistic style than chesty, nipped-waist She-ra from the 80s.

Voluminous hair and ruffles arent all that makes what makes a girl. Today guys have long hair and some wear ruffles too.
It is not her outfit I am critesizing either, although it could do with some improving of the details. Problem with the "age approperiate" is that its so hard to tell what age she is actually supposed to be. As Adora she look between 16-19ish, but as She-ra she look like 10-12. If she is 12, yes its age approperiate, but then her Adora form is very wierd.
Hpw does it make sense for her to have curves and then transform to get square?
She actually get the anatomy of a boy. You can both easily make a slim and buffed girl without sacrificing her feminine anatomy, but they didnt they opted for a boy form.
That do not fit when She-ra is supposed to embody the feminine. And even female athletes have some curves, and she sure dont look like one.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: furyXIV on July 25, 2018, 10:09:10 PM
is anyone else bothered by how in the She-Ra screenshot it looks like the long part of her hair looks disconnected from her head? Maybe it'll look better in motion, but just looking at the still of it is really weird.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on July 26, 2018, 12:11:57 AM
is anyone else bothered by how in the She-Ra screenshot it looks like the long part of her hair looks disconnected from her head? Maybe it'll look better in motion, but just looking at the still of it is really weird.

Yea I have seen people call it a hair cape XD
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Wuvmykitties on July 26, 2018, 04:11:02 AM
I think I'm the only one who doesn't like the new animation, it looks like something taken from Cartoon Network  :blink:

No you're not.  I saw the original series, and the animation was better (IMO).  My only complaint was that they could've used a few more voice actors.  In this version, She-Ra looks more like a boy wearing a fall.  Can't they make her look a little more feminine?

Also, it sounds like her story is different from the original.  In the original version, she and Adam are twins that were born to the King & Queen on Eternia, and Hordak comes to steal both, but only manages to capture Adora.  (Hordak and the Horde were originally on Eternia for a time.)  She is then raised by the Horde on Etheria and kept in control thanx to Shadow Weaver's spells.  When Adam comes to find her, he brings her Sword of Protection.  She is an adult now.
 Initially she sees him as just another rebel, but when he shows her how evil the Horde really is, and when the Sorceress tells her *who* they both are, Adora is able to break free from the spell and become She-Ra, and her horse Spirit becomes Swift Wind.  Adora returns home to meet her parents, but cannot stay for the rebellion needs her on Etheria. 
The story is a little more deep than that, but I'll leave it at that.  You can see her story in He-Man & She-Ra:  Secret Of the Sword on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX2wEvdWFbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX2wEvdWFbI)
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Quillette on July 28, 2018, 11:20:27 PM
So...What is with everyone’s obsession with She-ra’s boobs?  :lol:

To say that she doesn't look feminine because she falls under a body type not usually seen for Western animated female characters kind of implies that there is only one female body type that is feminine, the full body hour-glass, and that just feels so limiting. As does the idea that if they don’t have a large chest they are suddenly a child. Boobs like people come in all sizes.

I grew up watching the old He-man and She-ra cartoons and personally I am happy to see She-ra looking like she can kick butt now and not just pose dramatically. (Watch the old shows, seriously, watch them, they are so bad and full of more dramatic posing then a runway show) I am greatly looking forward to this show and I am seriously hoping it doesn’t suck. She-ra not having large boobs and hips and looking like she’s 30 pretending to be 16 is literally the last thing I am concerned about.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on July 30, 2018, 01:56:13 AM
So...What is with everyone’s obsession with She-ra’s boobs?  :lol:

To say that she doesn't look feminine because she falls under a body type not usually seen for Western animated female characters kind of implies that there is only one female body type that is feminine, the full body hour-glass, and that just feels so limiting. As does the idea that if they don’t have a large chest they are suddenly a child. Boobs like people come in all sizes.

I grew up watching the old He-man and She-ra cartoons and personally I am happy to see She-ra looking like she can kick butt now and not just pose dramatically. (Watch the old shows, seriously, watch them, they are so bad and full of more dramatic posing then a runway show) I am greatly looking forward to this show and I am seriously hoping it doesn’t suck. She-ra not having large boobs and hips and looking like she’s 30 pretending to be 16 is literally the last thing I am concerned about.

No, that is not at all what people are implying!
It's just that men and women do have differenses in their physique and build, men usually have more boxy builds while women have more curves and softer builds. Of course there are overlapses but those are rarer.

The issue here is that they used a male build for She-ra. The technique they used to draw her is often used to illustrate boys.
There is a fault in the logic when you do this to a character whos essence is built on her gender. She is called She-Ra, she was supposed to appeal to girls, she is He-mans twin and female counter part.

It feels even wierder to have Adora, who is shown to be pretty curvy, transform into a male body and don the name She-ra. Its not even meant to go all the way like in Mahou shoujo ore. (A comedy anime about girls transforming into magical guys to fight muscle squirrels)

I have to argue that girls can kick butt and still look feminine. And Ill prove it!

(https://img00.deviantart.net/078e/i/2018/207/7/7/reboot_shera_and_adora_by_sakuyamon-dcibufl.png)
This is my edit of their design.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/96fb/i/2018/210/a/8/shera_redesign_by_sakuyamon-dcilk3x.png)
This is my own redesign.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Angelkitty21 on July 30, 2018, 04:54:50 AM
@quillette- alright, you got a very good point there. I guess what bugs me is that her boobs disappear for no apparent reason. Well, I guess she could be wearing breastplate. Or something *shrug*

The more fanart I see on Tumblr, the more the look grows on me.

@sakuya- that art is awesome :D
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Wuvmykitties on July 30, 2018, 05:23:03 AM
I like Sakuya's version better too!  And I agree with her completely. 
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Kraterus on July 30, 2018, 07:47:40 PM

(https://img00.deviantart.net/078e/i/2018/207/7/7/reboot_shera_and_adora_by_sakuyamon-dcibufl.png)
This is my edit of their design.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/96fb/i/2018/210/a/8/shera_redesign_by_sakuyamon-dcilk3x.png)
This is my own redesign.

Jeez those look great (particularly your designs).  Maybe they can hire you for some doll designs.

I'm eager to see the merch for this show (Which Brandon Sopinski of Mattel said is coming to retail, during a SDCC interview with Pixel Dan).  I'm assuming there'll be some "action dolls", kind of along the lines of DC Super Hero Girls, but they should have much prettier costumes and such, maybe along the lines of Ever After High.  The fantasy/fairy-tale style of Etheria is so gorgeous, Mattel really needs to take full advantage of that.  BTW, the best art reveal so far is that environment shot of Bright Moon, just beautiful and looks just like Etheria should.

I'm a huge He-Man/She-Ra fan so this is a big deal to me.  Dolls that are an action/fashion blend are a perfect fit for She-Ra/POP. 

There are some interesting threads regarding this show over on He-Man.org, if you're interested in a pretty meaty discussion.  Post these art pics over there and they'd flip, they'd love it.

Man I'm excited.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Angelkitty21 on July 31, 2018, 01:28:32 AM
I'm super excited for toys too! Particularly the action dolls, if they go that route. From what we've seen with Glimmer, they might all have different body types which would be interesting to see. The only problem with that is clothes wouldn't be as interchangeable. They might stick to action figures if that's the case.

When is the next major convention/toy fair supposed to be? I wanna keep an eye out for them!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Kraterus on July 31, 2018, 07:19:04 AM
I'm super excited for toys too! Particularly the action dolls, if they go that route. From what we've seen with Glimmer, they might all have different body types which would be interesting to see. The only problem with that is clothes wouldn't be as interchangeable. They might stick to action figures if that's the case.

When is the next major convention/toy fair supposed to be? I wanna keep an eye out for them!

Some people speculate that something could be shown at NYCC (New York Comic Con) starting October 4, certainly you'd expect Mattel to have product ready by then since the show drops on Nov 16.  Perhaps some other venues have been speculated about, I don't remember precisely, all I know is Brandon confirmed there is product in the works, which was a big revelation in itself.

Oh and almost forgot Power-Con, a He-Man/She-Ra convention on August 25,26.  Maybe a small possibility of something shown there, but this is a very niche convention.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Quillette on July 31, 2018, 09:43:06 AM
So...What is with everyone’s obsession with She-ra’s boobs?  :lol:

To say that she doesn't look feminine because she falls under a body type not usually seen for Western animated female characters kind of implies that there is only one female body type that is feminine, the full body hour-glass, and that just feels so limiting. As does the idea that if they don’t have a large chest they are suddenly a child. Boobs like people come in all sizes.

I grew up watching the old He-man and She-ra cartoons and personally I am happy to see She-ra looking like she can kick butt now and not just pose dramatically. (Watch the old shows, seriously, watch them, they are so bad and full of more dramatic posing then a runway show) I am greatly looking forward to this show and I am seriously hoping it doesn’t suck. She-ra not having large boobs and hips and looking like she’s 30 pretending to be 16 is literally the last thing I am concerned about.

No, that is not at all what people are implying!
It's just that men and women do have differenses in their physique and build, men usually have more boxy builds while women have more curves and softer builds. Of course there are overlapses but those are rarer.

The issue here is that they used a male build for She-ra. The technique they used to draw her is often used to illustrate boys.
There is a fault in the logic when you do this to a character whos essence is built on her gender. She is called She-Ra, she was supposed to appeal to girls, she is He-mans twin and female counter part.

It feels even wierder to have Adora, who is shown to be pretty curvy, transform into a male body and don the name She-ra. Its not even meant to go all the way like in Mahou shoujo ore. (A comedy anime about girls transforming into magical guys to fight muscle squirrels)

I have to argue that girls can kick butt and still look feminine. And Ill prove it!

(https://img00.deviantart.net/078e/i/2018/207/7/7/reboot_shera_and_adora_by_sakuyamon-dcibufl.png)
This is my edit of their design.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/96fb/i/2018/210/a/8/shera_redesign_by_sakuyamon-dcilk3x.png)
This is my own redesign.

Nice artwork.

Now on to the nitty gritty.

Aside from a few key difference, men and women have the same anatomy. That nipped in waist women have is the result of our wider pelvic bones for child birthing. But like men, women’s shoulders are still wider then their hips. Muscle development in the upper area will of course will make their shoulders wider and give them a more ‘boyish’ look. Look at Olympic gymnast and swimmers. Female athletes who use their upper bodies more have a more male like shape due to muscle development. They also lack definitive boobs because, breast are mostly fat and that burns away with the development of pectoral muscles. Most female body builders end up getting breast implants because they won’t have any breasts without them.

Now, this is a fantasy cartoon. By all accounts, they did not have to go by real world logic, but they did and I applaud them for that. To me that is what good character design does. It draws from real life and uses that to tell a visual story about the character. She-ra is athletic and strong and still very much a young women, still developing, still growing.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on July 31, 2018, 10:52:41 AM
So...What is with everyone’s obsession with She-ra’s boobs?  :lol:

To say that she doesn't look feminine because she falls under a body type not usually seen for Western animated female characters kind of implies that there is only one female body type that is feminine, the full body hour-glass, and that just feels so limiting. As does the idea that if they don’t have a large chest they are suddenly a child. Boobs like people come in all sizes.

I grew up watching the old He-man and She-ra cartoons and personally I am happy to see She-ra looking like she can kick butt now and not just pose dramatically. (Watch the old shows, seriously, watch them, they are so bad and full of more dramatic posing then a runway show) I am greatly looking forward to this show and I am seriously hoping it doesn’t suck. She-ra not having large boobs and hips and looking like she’s 30 pretending to be 16 is literally the last thing I am concerned about.

No, that is not at all what people are implying!
It's just that men and women do have differenses in their physique and build, men usually have more boxy builds while women have more curves and softer builds. Of course there are overlapses but those are rarer.

The issue here is that they used a male build for She-ra. The technique they used to draw her is often used to illustrate boys.
There is a fault in the logic when you do this to a character whos essence is built on her gender. She is called She-Ra, she was supposed to appeal to girls, she is He-mans twin and female counter part.

It feels even wierder to have Adora, who is shown to be pretty curvy, transform into a male body and don the name She-ra. Its not even meant to go all the way like in Mahou shoujo ore. (A comedy anime about girls transforming into magical guys to fight muscle squirrels)

I have to argue that girls can kick butt and still look feminine. And Ill prove it!

(https://img00.deviantart.net/078e/i/2018/207/7/7/reboot_shera_and_adora_by_sakuyamon-dcibufl.png)
This is my edit of their design.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/96fb/i/2018/210/a/8/shera_redesign_by_sakuyamon-dcilk3x.png)
This is my own redesign.

Nice artwork.

Now on to the nitty gritty.

Aside from a few key difference, men and women have the same anatomy. That nipped in waist women have is the result of our wider pelvic bones for child birthing. But like men, women’s shoulders are still wider then their hips. Muscle development in the upper area will of course will make their shoulders wider and give them a more ‘boyish’ look. Look at Olympic gymnast and swimmers. Female athletes who use their upper bodies more have a more male like shape due to muscle development. They also lack definitive boobs because, breast are mostly fat and that burns away with the development of pectoral muscles. Most female body builders end up getting breast implants because they won’t have any breasts without them.

Now, this is a fantasy cartoon. By all accounts, they did not have to go by real world logic, but they did and I applaud them for that. To me that is what good character design does. It draws from real life and uses that to tell a visual story about the character. She-ra is athletic and strong and still very much a young women, still developing, still growing.

You are partially right, but partially wrong too. The skeletons may have the very similar build and some defining shapes are because of fats, but those are integral differences of the genders anatomy. Men just dont put on fat on the hips in the same way women do. And a woman cant gain muscles in the same capacity of men. And even on female athletes you will still be able to see that they are women.(as long as they arent taking stereoids and stuff like that, but thats not what She-ra is supposed to be.)
And I have to bring up the SDCC She-ra, she was well built with muscles, but you could still she she was female.

Yes it is a fantasy cartoon, but I have to argue that they dont use real world logic. I am calling into question if they even made her more athletic/muscular as shera at all. she have no definition to her limbs. If she truely just got buff, she should have defined muscles. And since it is a fantasy show, I also have to argue that there is no need to give her muscles or defeminize her since she is getting stronger with magic anyway.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Quillette on July 31, 2018, 12:08:57 PM
Agree to disagree. :biggrin:

This She-ra design obviously upsets you more then I care about defending it. And I really don’t want to get into a long winded debate about muscles and fat pads. That could go on forever and would be completely off topic, but I digress, I really don’t think it’s that bad nor do I think it’s defemanising. Maybe my view of feminine is too broad, but I don’t need her to appear as super pretty or super feminine to enjoy her as a character. She’s different and that makes her interesting to me. At this point I just want to wait and see how the show turns out.

The only real grievance I have with the show is that color wise it’s very blah.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on July 31, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
Agree to disagree. :biggrin:

This She-ra design obviously upsets you more then I care about defending it. And I really don’t want to get into a long winded debate about muscles and fat pads. That could go on forever and would be completely off topic, but I digress, I really don’t think it’s that bad nor do I think it’s defemanising. Maybe my view of feminine is too broad, but I don’t need her to appear as super pretty or super feminine to enjoy her as a character. She’s different and that makes her interesting to me. At this point I just want to wait and see how the show turns out.

The only real grievance I have with the show is that color wise it’s very blah.

Yea I have no wish to argue about it either. I do apologize if I seem to come of to agressively. I sadly have a tendancy to seem that way even when I dont mean to.
It's just that I see this trend in nearly everything in media, such as comics and tv shows and it worries me. When I was a kid, I loved shows like Sailor Moon and Starla and the jewelriders because they were female and feminine. They showed me that girls can be badass and it helped me through times when boys bullied me and said girls were lame and couldnt do anything good.
I want future generations of girls to get this encouragement too when they go through the same thing.
But if there are no feminine girls in media left, how will they get this encouragement?

And look, I dont mind there being different bodytypes in shows, I do welcome it, but I still think females should be recognizable you know. Look at Overwatch and Steven universe, they got a ton of different shapes, but you can still see they are female. (well some SU charas are questionable but still). And thats awesome.

And for a character named SHE, it feels backward that she look like a he.

I do question though how much the She-Ra reboot goes by real world logic...I mean, look at Glimmer... Do you think someone as fat as her would be able to lead a rebellion? Much less get through a battle? I feel like it was just to fill a body shape quota... Even Steven universe did a better job as Rose Quartz looked more bulky than fat.

Ah sorry, I am thinking too much about this... its not easy to not do that as all of this affects the communities I am in...Im an artist trying to get a job in something but its hard to break into sjw filled buisnesses...
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Wuvmykitties on July 31, 2018, 05:31:20 PM
I want future generations of girls to get this encouragement too when they go through the same thing.
But if there are no feminine girls in media left, how will they get this encouragement?

I agree! 
I'll still check out the series, just to see if they made any last minute changes, and also to see how good it is.  When does it start again?
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on August 01, 2018, 12:27:49 AM
I want future generations of girls to get this encouragement too when they go through the same thing.
But if there are no feminine girls in media left, how will they get this encouragement?

I agree! 
I'll still check out the series, just to see if they made any last minute changes, and also to see how good it is.  When does it start again?

Some time in november.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Wardah on August 01, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
@quillette- alright, you got a very good point there. I guess what bugs me is that her boobs disappear for no apparent reason. Well, I guess she could be wearing breastplate. Or something *shrug*

The more fanart I see on Tumblr, the more the look grows on me.

@sakuya- that art is awesome :D

I definitely think it could be armor. That would explain the lack of cleavage since realistically a cleavage divot in female armor would be dangerous for the wearer. Such a divot is pretty much asking for a shattered sternum. It's like the number one complaint about female fantasy armor.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: roseprincess1 on August 01, 2018, 04:49:08 AM
@quillette- alright, you got a very good point there. I guess what bugs me is that her boobs disappear for no apparent reason. Well, I guess she could be wearing breastplate. Or something *shrug*

The more fanart I see on Tumblr, the more the look grows on me.

@sakuya- that art is awesome :D

I definitely think it could be armor. That would explain the lack of cleavage since realistically a cleavage divot in female armor would be dangerous for the wearer. Such a divot is pretty much asking for a shattered sternum. It's like the number one complaint about female fantasy armor.
I have to agree with that.. If you look at the character kitiara from the old dragon lance series
(https://imgur.com/5ejC8y1)
Shes wearing a full set of plate armor and you can hardly tell shes a woman.
So that could be what they are going for.

Any hoo.. does anyone know when this comes out?
what day netflix is gonna release it?
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Kraterus on August 01, 2018, 07:03:53 AM
@quillette- alright, you got a very good point there. I guess what bugs me is that her boobs disappear for no apparent reason. Well, I guess she could be wearing breastplate. Or something *shrug*

The more fanart I see on Tumblr, the more the look grows on me.

@sakuya- that art is awesome :D

I definitely think it could be armor. That would explain the lack of cleavage since realistically a cleavage divot in female armor would be dangerous for the wearer. Such a divot is pretty much asking for a shattered sternum. It's like the number one complaint about female fantasy armor.
I have to agree with that.. If you look at the character kitiara from the old dragon lance series
(https://imgur.com/5ejC8y1)
Shes wearing a full set of plate armor and you can hardly tell shes a woman.
So that could be what they are going for.

Any hoo.. does anyone know when this comes out?
what day netflix is gonna release it?

The show is suppose to start on Nov. 16.  Or maybe 15.  16th I think.



The only real grievance I have with the show is that color wise it’s very blah.

Really?  Even this?:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/833/29643508128_081e3156f8_o.jpg)
(Bright Moon)

I think this is gorgeous, just like Etheria should look. 

Post Merge: August 01, 2018, 07:23:57 AM

Yes it is a fantasy cartoon, but I have to argue that they dont use real world logic. I am calling into question if they even made her more athletic/muscular as shera at all. she have no definition to her limbs. If she truely just got buff, she should have defined muscles. And since it is a fantasy show, I also have to argue that there is no need to give her muscles or defeminize her since she is getting stronger with magic anyway.

I think that's right, if we went just with the logic of this fantasy world, given that both She-Ra and He-Man derive their superhuman (frankly godlike) strength and abilities from magic, then neither would need much in the way of muscle, really.  Reminds me of Yoda's Dagobah speech to Luke, explaining how size and physical strength don't make a Force-user great.

Of course, I'm not saying take away He-Man's muscles.  The appearances of these characters were clearly following conventions of depicting fantasy heroes. 
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: RodimusKnight on August 01, 2018, 07:44:04 AM
So one thing that I have found interesting in the "debate" over the new She-ra cartoon, is that the people criticizing the people criticizing the show, are ignoring the women who are criticizing the show. I see people calling the guys "man babies" and far far worse, and yet the Women who are not happy with the reboot are being ignored. Seems a little sexist to me.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: SaelaVe on August 01, 2018, 12:52:14 PM
I would like to remind everyone that while healthy debate and discussion is fine, there is no place in this conversation for outright body-shaming.

Please keep your comments respectful, polite and tactful.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: RodimusKnight on August 02, 2018, 07:58:45 AM
So...What is with everyone’s obsession with She-ra’s boobs?  :lol:

To say that she doesn't look feminine because she falls under a body type not usually seen for Western animated female characters kind of implies that there is only one female body type that is feminine, the full body hour-glass, and that just feels so limiting. As does the idea that if they don’t have a large chest they are suddenly a child. Boobs like people come in all sizes.

I grew up watching the old He-man and She-ra cartoons and personally I am happy to see She-ra looking like she can kick butt now and not just pose dramatically. (Watch the old shows, seriously, watch them, they are so bad and full of more dramatic posing then a runway show) I am greatly looking forward to this show and I am seriously hoping it doesn’t suck. She-ra not having large boobs and hips and looking like she’s 30 pretending to be 16 is literally the last thing I am concerned about.

No, that is not at all what people are implying!
It's just that men and women do have differenses in their physique and build, men usually have more boxy builds while women have more curves and softer builds. Of course there are overlapses but those are rarer.

The issue here is that they used a male build for She-ra. The technique they used to draw her is often used to illustrate boys.
There is a fault in the logic when you do this to a character whos essence is built on her gender. She is called She-Ra, she was supposed to appeal to girls, she is He-mans twin and female counter part.

It feels even wierder to have Adora, who is shown to be pretty curvy, transform into a male body and don the name She-ra. Its not even meant to go all the way like in Mahou shoujo ore. (A comedy anime about girls transforming into magical guys to fight muscle squirrels)

I have to argue that girls can kick butt and still look feminine. And Ill prove it!

(https://img00.deviantart.net/078e/i/2018/207/7/7/reboot_shera_and_adora_by_sakuyamon-dcibufl.png)
This is my edit of their design.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/96fb/i/2018/210/a/8/shera_redesign_by_sakuyamon-dcilk3x.png)
This is my own redesign.

Fro whatever reason, the last time I was in here, the images didn't show up so I didn't see theses. You version of the reboots are adorable, and I really like your redesign, minus the horn on She-Ra's headdress/crown/mask thing.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: DogMom on September 08, 2018, 05:35:10 PM
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Interesting points all around. I have zero She-Ra exposure, so this is all new to me. But we do have Netflix, so I'll watch a few episodes.

Sakuya's drawings are marvelous. Would love to see THOSE in doll form!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on September 11, 2018, 02:35:58 AM
There is a trailer out now. I saw it yesterday. I have to say I feel sorry for the vas, they sound really good but the animation is so bland. There is so much emotion in the VAs voices but the transformation sequence is devoid of emotion, the va sound like she really is transforming but the animation is like swish swish swosh ok Im She-ra.
Oh and all the (removed - Wuvmykitties) lensflares! I tend to like lensflares but they do not use them well here.

Edited to remove semi-foul language..don't circumvent the swear censor by replacing certain letters with others or use asterisks - Wuvmykitties
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Crystal-Spooky on September 16, 2018, 01:43:19 AM
Yeah I've got to agree with the sentiment that many people have expressed here, don't change characters to fit some diversity quota, make new original ones (as that also has the underlying sentiment of 'characters that were always 'diverse' can't be successful').
If you want to change a preexisting series so much, maybe make a spinoff instead? She-Ra's daughter?
Also not fond of the 'Cal-Arts' style which has pretty much overtaken Western animation nowadays, shows used to be distinct and now they all have that same look to them- likely due to most animation studios hiring animators from the same pool of graduates year after year...
I always liked how mature She-Ra and her companions looked, as opposed to the 'young mid-20s to teen' look that many female leads have. Yes the original's goofy and corny as all heck, but that's what makes it so enjoyable!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: roseprincess1 on September 16, 2018, 04:45:25 AM
well now that i have actually seen the trailer.. I still say it looks like shes wearing a lot of armor.
At least a chest plate.. maybe something similar to kevlar..( side note.. kevlar weighs a lot.. and kills most of your shape)
the animation is ok
the voice acting seems pretty nice.
I just when i knew when the heck this thing is coming out.. originally they said november something
now i cant find any dates!!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: SaelaVe on September 16, 2018, 02:14:28 PM
I just when i knew when the heck this thing is coming out.. originally they said november something
now i cant find any dates!!

It's November 16th.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Wuvmykitties on September 16, 2018, 04:14:28 PM
Just saw the trailer and it looks pretty cool, but still disappointed in how She-Ra looks.  (JMO)
Oh well.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: roseprincess1 on September 21, 2018, 08:33:48 AM
I just when i knew when the heck this thing is coming out.. originally they said november something
now i cant find any dates!!

It's November 16th.
much thanks!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: SaelaVe on October 07, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Official full trailer is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY

Aaaaaaaaand I'm out. lol
I was cautiously optimistic when the first stills were released, but this trailer completely lost me.  It looks too far removed from the original series, tonally all over the place, and just generally unappealing.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on October 07, 2018, 11:58:56 PM
Official full trailer is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY

Aaaaaaaaand I'm out. lol
I was cautiously optimistic when the first stills were released, but this trailer completely lost me.  It looks too far removed from the original series, tonally all over the place, and just generally unappealing.

I agree...you cant even recognize the characters because they are racebent so much. Even Ducktales knew to keep things recognizable.
But what can ya expect when the creators are insulting the original show in public on comicon?
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Wuvmykitties on October 08, 2018, 04:02:49 AM
Yes, seems kinda low budget to me.  And
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Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Knightfire on October 08, 2018, 07:00:23 AM
Even Ducktales knew to keep things recognizable.
But what can ya expect when the creators are insulting the original show in public on comicon?

The DuckTales crew is all huge, huge fans of the original. So I guess this is the difference between a fan-run production and one that is not?
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on October 08, 2018, 08:42:43 AM
Even Ducktales knew to keep things recognizable.
But what can ya expect when the creators are insulting the original show in public on comicon?

The DuckTales crew is all huge, huge fans of the original. So I guess this is the difference between a fan-run production and one that is not?

Yea thats the way it seems. The reboot crew of Ducktales talked a lot about being fans of the original show and the comics while Noelle admitted she hadnt even tried to watch the original.
Im very much questioning her professionality and legitimacy. If I had been put in charge of something that I hadnt seen before, I would have taken the time to research it and watch any material in order to do an reboot that could be respectful to the original. I might even turn down the project if it had been something I really didnt like...I wouldnt go and turn it inside out till it was unrecognizable!
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 08, 2018, 04:05:31 PM
I'm actually a hardcore She-Ra fan and am really looking forward to it! I have issues with a few of the redesigns and a voice here or there, but Overall I am VERY excited...

I agree...you cant even recognize the characters because they are racebent so much. Even Ducktales knew to keep things recognizable.
But what can ya expect when the creators are insulting the original show in public on comicon?
Where did she insult the show? I know Bow's voice actor wasn't overly kind to the original, but I didn't see Noelle or any otehr creators saying anything insulting and I watched the panel on youtube...
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on October 09, 2018, 06:37:30 AM
I'm actually a hardcore She-Ra fan and am really looking forward to it! I have issues with a few of the redesigns and a voice here or there, but Overall I am VERY excited...

I agree...you cant even recognize the characters because they are racebent so much. Even Ducktales knew to keep things recognizable.
But what can ya expect when the creators are insulting the original show in public on comicon?
Where did she insult the show? I know Bow's voice actor wasn't overly kind to the original, but I didn't see Noelle or any otehr creators saying anything insulting and I watched the panel on youtube...

I meant to refer to Bows voice actor, he might not have straight out insulted it but i couldnt find a better word. Oh the limits of language when you are not a native speaker...
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 09, 2018, 09:09:25 AM
I meant to refer to Bows voice actor, he might not have straight out insulted it but i couldnt find a better word. Oh the limits of language when you are not a native speaker...
I understand the language barrier possibly being an issue, But Noelle has stated that she wishes she had been alive to have originally watched the series when she was a kid and has indeed seen some episodes from what she has said. So I'm sorry to say but I don't think you're being very fair to her. She has stated that if they recreated the original and kept everything the same there would be no point (just watch the original if that's what you want to see)...

I'm not trying to insult you or others or anything, and you're free to your opinion to dislike the show, but lets be fair to the creators and not assign things like a disregard for the show without unfounded evidence :)
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Sakuya on October 09, 2018, 11:14:39 AM
I meant to refer to Bows voice actor, he might not have straight out insulted it but i couldnt find a better word. Oh the limits of language when you are not a native speaker...
I understand the language barrier possibly being an issue, But Noelle has stated that she wishes she had been alive to have originally watched the series when she was a kid and has indeed seen some episodes from what she has said. So I'm sorry to say but I don't think you're being very fair to her. She has stated that if they recreated the original and kept everything the same there would be no point (just watch the original if that's what you want to see)...

I'm not trying to insult you or others or anything, and you're free to your opinion to dislike the show, but lets be fair to the creators and not assign things like a disregard for the show without unfounded evidence :)

Yes, there is not much of a point if most of the show stays the same, but to me it seems she is moreso trying to do her own thing and push her own ideology than to recreate a beloved show. And as far as I understood, she didnt see any episodes till after the reboot was at least nearing completion.  That is something that strikes me as odd, I myself would want to watch through as much content I could to see where it wanted to go, where it didnt want to go, get a feel for the characters and their dynamics. That research is such important work to see what can be changed in order to make a good retelling. Ducktales did this, and they improved things that were a bit plain, but they didnt totaly substitute what came before it. My Little Pony did this too.

She isnt even reigning in Bows VA when he start speaking ill of the original, nor does she vocalize disagreement which suggests to me that she do agree with him. So I do not take much stock in what she say about wishing she could been alive at She-Ras original runtime... She could have taken time to sit down and watch She-ra at any time long before this anyway. So I sense dishonesty there.
I have also seen some of Noelles tweets from before the She-ra show and they arent exactly flattering.
So I do believe I am being fair to her.

And dont worry I know you arent trying to insult me. We all have different perspectives and this is just how I interpret things.
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: heftysmurf76 on October 09, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
Yes, there is not much of a point if most of the show stays the same, but to me it seems she is moreso trying to do her own thing and push her own ideology than to recreate a beloved show. And as far as I understood, she didnt see any episodes till after the reboot was at least nearing completion.  That is something that strikes me as odd, I myself would want to watch through as much content I could to see where it wanted to go, where it didnt want to go, get a feel for the characters and their dynamics. That research is such important work to see what can be changed in order to make a good retelling. Ducktales did this, and they improved things that were a bit plain, but they didnt totaly substitute what came before it. My Little Pony did this too.

She isnt even reigning in Bows VA when he start speaking ill of the original, nor does she vocalize disagreement which suggests to me that she do agree with him. So I do not take much stock in what she say about wishing she could been alive at She-Ras original runtime... She could have taken time to sit down and watch She-ra at any time long before this anyway. So I sense dishonesty there.
I have also seen some of Noelles tweets from before the She-ra show and they arent exactly flattering.
So I do believe I am being fair to her.

And dont worry I know you arent trying to insult me. We all have different perspectives and this is just how I interpret things.
May I ask where you are getting all your information on this from? According to Noelle's Twitter, she's seen quite a few episodes, uses character images for reference and even quotes "Flowers for Hordak" as one of her favorite episodes.

I personally don't think that she ignored the original series at all and it seems to me she took it into account while still taking creative liberties.

I just am not sure where all the vitriol is coming from, I don't want to argue with you I just want to know where you heard what you are basing your opinion on this from :)

As far as reigning in Bow's voice actor, while she is sorta his boss, I don't see where thats her responsibility, its his opinion he is expressing...
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: Crimson Kitty on October 09, 2018, 06:20:17 PM
If I compare the trailer to the original series, this is really disappointing. It just doesn't feel like She-Ra... If I take it as an entirely new show on its own though, it actually looks really good. I'll definitely watch and see either way
Title: Re: Netflix She-Ra Animated Series
Post by: sliami on October 10, 2018, 02:37:42 PM
The trailer owns, Nimona gives me faith in Stevenson, and I'm pretty much hyped as heck for this. I'm a couple generations past the OG demographic but I used to catch He-Man and She-Ra reruns on late night Qubo and this looks like it's bringing something really fresh to the table.