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Ever After High Discussion / Re: New Books Revealed!
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:05:58 AM »
That cover just reminds me of how rad Duchess and Darling are :).

Sightings / Re: CANADA: Canadian Sightings Thread!!
« on: March 22, 2018, 02:47:53 AM »
Well this just gets more and more depressing, LOL. Monster High has disappeared from Superstores entirely, and their Ever After High stuff has been discounted to sell- they don't even have the SKUs for the dolls any longer, so they had to find a similar doll! Got a Farrah Goodfairy for only $11.50 that way, but wow- only three dolls left "in the wild" at this point. This store was the last one in the city that still carried EAH.

TRUs, which I guess are still gonna be in Canada, are packing only a tiny handful oh MH stuff, but you can at least find their new releases, like the "turn into animals" ones.

Sightings / Re: CANADA: Canadian Sightings Thread!!
« on: December 23, 2017, 02:05:17 AM »
Hopefully it's due to hot Christmas sales, but HOLY COW the west-side TRU was out of stuff! They was so little MH merchandise out that they'd shoved some Mega Blocks stuff to fill space! No EAH stuff at all, one Gooliope (Pirate version), and 3-4 Frankie Stein collectible sets. No Sigs, no Electrified stuff, etc. Really, REALLY empty. But so were the DC SuperHero Girls, Descendants and other dolls, so I guess they were just out for Christmas.

It'll be interesting to see what the local stores look like after Christmas, though.

Monster Discussion / Re: How is MH Doing? Popularity, Sales, Overall, etc.
« on: December 14, 2017, 11:14:42 PM »
Found some of the newer stuff at Meijers today.. none of the ballette girls yet..
GRR.. lots of the family stuff tho.
No sign of eah..
how are the figures for the dolls sales doing if anyone knwos?
It's rather hard to find that out, actually. Maybe it'll be posted after this Christmas (few companies make public announcements before that). The only stuff I could find was from a couple years ago, when the line was booming and there was talk of Monster High cannibalizing BARBIE's sales.

Which might be the source of the issue now, actually- maybe DC SuperHero Girls is taking away sales that would have once gone to Monster High? From my perception, there's a lot more competition on the shelves with girls' toys than there once was- while Bratz has fallen away, there's DC SuperHero Girls, TRU is pushing that Spirit line pretty hard, etc.

I mean, it seems rather clear that MH is selling less well than they used to, judging just by what's on store shelves (what was 20+ lines a year is now barely 5+)- maybe all this new competition is to blame?

Monster Discussion / Re: How is MH Doing? Popularity, Sales, Overall, etc.
« on: December 09, 2017, 01:28:32 AM »
Went to a TRU today, and was a bit disappointed to see MH reduced to ONLY FOUR FEET, which is easily the lowest I've ever seen. It shares an aisle with Descendants, two EAH products (the Alistaire/Bunny 2-pack and the School Playset, which I think TRU doesn't feel like reducing to clear), and about eight feet of DC Superhero Girls. And across from that is about twelve feet of TROLLS of all things. Did that movie even do well?

They just released a Holiday Special, are planning on a TV series, and have a sequel on the way so it must have. I know I enjoyed it.
Hm- made about $150 million domestically, so yeah. Not DISNEY money (it's about 50% of your typical Disney feature, like Moana, but not bad. It didn't do well domestically, but I think Merch Sales are worth more in the long run, anyhow. I know that was the case for the Frozen juggernaut.

Monster Discussion / Re: How is MH Doing? Popularity, Sales, Overall, etc.
« on: December 07, 2017, 02:12:53 AM »
Went to a TRU today, and was a bit disappointed to see MH reduced to ONLY FOUR FEET, which is easily the lowest I've ever seen. It shares an aisle with Descendants, two EAH products (the Alistaire/Bunny 2-pack and the School Playset, which I think TRU doesn't feel like reducing to clear), and about eight feet of DC Superhero Girls. And across from that is about twelve feet of TROLLS of all things. Did that movie even do well?

I asked a random employee if they were getting rid of MH, and she just replied "No- I think it's just getting less and less popular."

Possibly an isolated incident, but DEFINITELY not a great sign.

Off Topic / Re: Olof's Frozen adventure and the traditions
« on: December 06, 2017, 02:12:28 AM »
Thank you for the notes! I was bummed about the negative reaction to the short, as it was quite beautiful and cute, but probably too long to stick in front of a good movie like Coco. I hope this doesn't hurt Frozen, and people come to appreciate the short for what it is.

Yea it is a total shame.
But I heard that they are taking of the Frozen short and make it available in other ways, so that's good for everyone.
Oh yeah, that's good. I'll get it on DVD or something, and be able to pause for all the pretty bits. CGI stuff is so hard to appreciate in the theatres, with all the stuff flying around.

Off Topic / Re: Olof's Frozen adventure and the traditions
« on: December 04, 2017, 12:37:30 PM »
Thank you for the notes! I was bummed about the negative reaction to the short, as it was quite beautiful and cute, but probably too long to stick in front of a good movie like Coco. I hope this doesn't hurt Frozen, and people come to appreciate the short for what it is.

Off Topic / Re: Toylines being rebooted
« on: November 23, 2017, 01:20:13 PM »
They made new Jem stuff?!?! That was the original girl line I loved! That cartoon was amazing! Dang, I wish these were in stores near me...

Off Topic / Re: Toylines being rebooted
« on: November 22, 2017, 02:19:53 AM »
Interesting- I was really only familiar with the first generation of Polly Pocket, but I definitely recall my old Zellers store carrying a later era of the stuff. It's "Male" counterpart, Mighty Max, was a quick failure, and disappeared- it's never been rebooted. Of course, being a "Boys Line", it got a huge TV series (did Polly ever get one?), debuted massive playsets ("Power in the Palm of Your Hand"... if you were a colossus), and even got a series of Video Games!

Some other toylines that were "Rebooted":
* ThunderCats- just once. A quick failure from a couple of years ago. Naturally, it was accompanied by a TV series.

* He-Man- It lasted a couple of years and seems to have done okay, but it died out pretty quickly. No serious attempt at a reboot has been done since, though they released a more "Deluxe" collectors set to appeal to nerdy guys like me with way too much money.

* Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles- The original line lasted for YEARS, so doesn't really count as "rebooting" anything- it died out in the mid '90s. The 2000s series saw a reboot, followed by the Nickelodeon one. I think since the first reboot, there's always been a TMNT product on the shelves, so it barely even counts as a reboot anymore.

* Voltron- I've seen this one come out a few times, with the recent one being on Netflix I think. Generally it's never a big deal, though.

* Power Rangers- Never really gets "rebooted", as they simply release a new Super Sentai line every year (it's the cheapest TV show you can make! The hard stuff is already done overseas!). Though it's bounced around in ownership a couple of times- I remember when Power Rangers stuff was located in the DISNEY Store!

Off Topic / Re: Toylines being rebooted
« on: November 21, 2017, 02:51:09 AM »
How many assorted toy lines have you all seen rebooted over the years? I'm particularly curious in the "Girl Lines", as I have way less knowledge of that.

Sightings / Re: CANADA: Canadian Sightings Thread!!
« on: November 20, 2017, 03:11:52 AM »
Nothing much new to report, except that the western-most TRU in town is now out of every Ever After High figure, EXCEPT the Bunny/Alistaire "Date" set. Giant Maddie is gone, too. However, they STILL have two huge "EAH Castle" sets, with no discount in sight. Man, they they wait too long to release THAT gigantic thing!

The MH School is on a big discount now, too, and they're doing 40% off on all figs $29.99 and over, meaning the sets, Pirate Gooliope and more. The "Electrified" line appears to be nearly sold-out, which is a good sign (compared to how long the "Haunted" stuff shelfwarmed, in any case).

And lo and behold- there is only ONE Sig Gooliope Jellington left on the shelf! Now THAT is a doll that's stuck around for a long time! It's a true curiosity, too- the only doll exclusively at that size, and probably the single longest-lasting doll I've ever seen- I've seen this entire doll section completely up-ended and replaced probably twice over in the span of Gooliope's Shelf-Life, here!

Monster Discussion / Re: Isi Dawndance
« on: November 20, 2017, 02:02:13 AM »
She definitely wasn't rare in Canada- I probably saw more of her than the other two put together.

Off Topic / Toylines being rebooted
« on: November 19, 2017, 09:46:11 PM »
This got brought up in the "Health of the MH line" topic, but was unfortunately off-topic. I made mention that "Boy Lines" get rebooted more than "Girl Lines" do, but SaelaVe corrected me:

This is inaccurate.  MLP's only truly unsuccessful reboot was G3.5, which only lasted for a single year. 
G2 was not very popular in the US and was only produced from 1997 to 1999 here.  But it was quite popular in Europe, where it continued to be produced up until 2003 when G3 was introduced. 
G3 lasted from 2003 to 2009.  And G4 has lasted from 2010 to present.  That's a six-year run for both G2 and G3, and a seven-year run for G4 to date.

Since LPS was introduced in 1992, the line has seen a total of seven incarnations, including the original run under the Kenner division, one hard reboot, and five soft reboots.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles has had four reboots to date, including the TMNT film and the Bay-produced live-action movies.  That's the exact same number of reboots as MLP.
I'm not especially familiar with the history of G.I. Joe, but I'm only aware of six reboots to the original 1960s-1970s line: A Real American Hero, Extreme, Sigma 6, Resolute, Renegades, and the live-action films.
I wouldn't consider either TMNT or G.I. Joe to have had "endless repeats".  No more so than the girls' lines that we've discussed.

Now Transformers I'll give you.  It's a damn powerhouse with more reboots and offshoots than I can count.  (It has had 23 animated series alone!)
I feel like Transformers is for Hasbro what Barbie is for Mattel.  They seem to pour all of their attention and energy into keeping Transformers alive at all costs.

Power Rangers is a bit unique.  It's a westernized version of the Japanese Super Sentai series, and it gets a new series in the West every time that a new Super Sentai series comes out in Japan.
None of the other shows/toy lines that we've discussed have been quite like this; and it's near impossible to say if Power Rangers would have been rebooted as many times as it has were it not for the ongoing success of Super Sentai.

It may appear as though the same does not hold true for girls' lines, but it does.  Strawberry Shortcake is a great example of this.  Strawberry had an extremely successful run in the 1980s and then completely died off.  It was revived in 2003 and has been relaunched twice since.

If you're largely unfamiliar with the history of girls' toy lines and are more familiar with boys' lines, then I can see how it may appear as though boys' toys get more reboots, more chances, and have greater longevity than girls' lines; but this really isn't the case.
It would be completely moronic for toy manufacturers to alienate such an enormous demographic of potential customers by focusing all of their efforts on boys' toys and allowing girls' toys to fall by the wayside.  These companies' foremost concern is making bank, so they're going to do whatever it takes to make a successful toy line last for as long as possible, regardless of which gender it's being marketed to.

I found it an interesting point, especially as I was so unaware of the girl stuff being rebooted quite often (I only remember one My Little Pony re-release coming before the modern-day one). I think the reason I was so ignorant of that fact was that the girl lines tend to be... quieter... re-releases. TMNT reboots take place alongside big, well-advertised cartoon shows. G.I. Joe & Transformers get movies (and Transformers really hasn't gone away- I don't even think most count as "reboots"- they just make a new line every couple of years).

Like, I didn't realize Strawberry Shortcake had been rebooted, well, ever. I've seen some Rainbow Brite stuff recently, but nothing on the level of the '80s run. Care Bears seems to be in a constant state of release, but has technically been rebooted several times.

The "Girl Stuff" seems to be so much quieter, as IPs are simply re-fashioned or released intact, often without a TV series or a major marketing push. I find it an interesting contrast to stuff like TMNT, which is nearly always treated like a big deal.

It does give me hope for the flagging Monster High line, anyway. It seems likely that even IF they dropped the line, Mattel would keep the IP and bring it back in a half-decade or so.

Monster Discussion / Re: How Do You Collect?
« on: November 12, 2017, 02:00:53 AM »
I'm more of an "ornament" collector who likes looking at the coolest-looking ones. Typically I don't find the characters I like collectible if I'm not enamored with the design, nor do I collect every doll of a character I like.

I mean, my favorite MHers are Twyla & Spectra, but I've only got the ones I liked most (Sig Twyla & FDC Twyla; a sig-looking "Glowing" Spectra). I grabbed FDC Frankie & Sweet Screams Frankie. I loved Gooliope's design, so I had to have that one.

My first bits of collecting were a bit more willy-nilly, but usually based off of looking cool & being on sale- Jane Boolittle came from when Target went out of business here in Canada, and so did the SS Frankie, above. Gooliope was also on sale.

I think the only one I'm really "Completist" on is Cupid, but only because I love her EAH design and characterization- I have no desire to collect the MH version of the character.

I've more or less stopped collecting, however, as I don't care for any of the newest things, plus I was in that "well how much space do I WANT to devote to these?" stage, especially since I still collect Disney merch, and didn't want my apartment just CLOGGED with the stuff.

Monster Discussion / Re: Do you think that Mh is over with?
« on: November 11, 2017, 11:55:41 PM »
The thing that bums me out is I think I jumped onto this franchise fairly late. Through checking, it was likely around 2013 (when Target came to Canada), as there were no department stores or Toys R Us locations anywhere close to where I lived. However, I'd enjoyed looking at the stuff so much in Target stores (which were easily-found in malls) that I got into it, and learned all about it.

When Target left Canada in 2015, I was bummed at losing out, but I discovered ways to hit the Walmarts & TRUs in town that was quicker than I'd imagined, and got into things that way. So I've only really been into it for about three years- just enough time to have rented the movies before the local video store shut down, and enough time to watch EAH die out, and MH reduce its shelf-space.

Though I guess it's not THAT bad- I was around for the second or third wave of dolls to hit Canada, and I remember seeing many of the "Sig" characters in stores. I was in it before Haunted came out, and saw a handful of other movie releases. It just reminds me of when I got into the Disney Fairies franchise in a major way months after The Pirate Fairy came out... just in time to see it die an immediate death as soon as The Legend of the Neverbeast come out in stores!

I imagine Mattel still sees some life and value in it (have they announced the next movie, yet?), but I fear I'm correct in that we'll probably see a slowdown/shutdown until a big relaunch in a few years, since this PAST relaunch hasn't really set the world on fire.

Monster Discussion / Re: Do you think that Mh is over with?
« on: November 11, 2017, 01:25:49 AM »
I imagine the current slow-down of the line will lead to Mattel eventually letting it drop (or be produced in tiny amounts), only to do a "re-launch" a couple of years later, thus attempting to get the old fans and a horde of new ones

I think Apple's POV would make more sense if the universe bothered to point out the reason WHY the stories needed to continue that way- all we ever got was the Narrators saying "so their stories can continue to be told!" We never really learn the cause & effect there... like, will the human world forget the stories? What IS the human world? We never even see anyone READING the stories!

I mean, I can buy that Apple would be upset at her storyline being crushed, but her expectation that Raven suffer so much CLEARLY makes her the antagonist.

The fact that the show pretty much openly flouts the "Royals" and has almost everyone develop Rebel sympathies as the show goes on (Ashlynn  dates Hunter; Briar hides the Storybook of Legends) really just adds to this. Apple is still a good CHARACTER... but she's certainly not the hero, and you can't sit there at say that she's to be emulated ("Are you a Royal or a Rebel?"... WHO WOULD PICK "ROYAL"???).

Ever After High Discussion / Re: Anyone Else Miss EAH In The Beginning?
« on: November 06, 2017, 02:23:56 AM »
I missed it in the beginning, too. I kind of found the Monster High line to be fascinating-looking, well-designed, and full of great Punny Names, but EAH looked much less imaginative and very "Same-Y", with everyone copying the same general design concept, and almost every character having the same skin tone (whereas MH had blue, green, pink, blue, etc.).

What did they think of it? I find it interesting trying to get a group of comic book fans and RPG players interested in the characters. I did the same with Monster High, and while it obviously didn't "take" (a few fathers had notes about how fragile the dolls were, though :)), they confessed that many of the designs were remarkable, and that the designers really knew what they were doing. Many suggested that comics would do well to get actual designers to work for comic book companies, thus preventing the occasional atrocious costume designs comics is known for.

They were a bit less impressed with EAH, particularly the one female in the group, who was a BIG fan of the "classic fairytales" and couldn't figure out how these "matched".

Things they noticed:

* Nobody can get over the fact that the origins make no sense if these characters are teenagers- like Rapunzel gets kidnapped AS A BABY, and yet she has teen daughters who are supposed to replace her? Granted this comes up in the EAH fandom, too, but comics fans have issues getting over this :). Years of having to cram contradictory continuity intoa  cohesive universe that makes sense.

* EVERYONE was taken aback at Apple's "Everyone should follow their destiny!" thing. Like, they view her as a total monster, and can't get over it. Some of the Rebels will DIE if they follow their story!

* Everyone got a huge kick out of Daring Charming's picture. "The Douche Side is strong with this one". "I can smell the Axe Body Spray coming off of him".

* A fan of Russian folklore was impressed with the inclusion of Baba Yaga.

* Mentioning Blondie Lockes and her personality dredged up memories of the Kender from Dungeons & Dragons and Malkavians from Vampire: The Masquerade- infamously annoying character archetypes known for ruining many games with distracting behavior. The Kender in particular are known for being kleptomaniacs. I pointed out that Blondie was a very unpopular character for the same reason that people hated Kender- it's a very annoying trait.

* People are easily confused by how similar all the characters are in design, and how similar the voices are. SameFace AND SameVoice in the show are a pretty hard thing to overcome. It doesn't help that most everyone uses the "Large-eyed girl with giant hair and a frilly dress" look, and has costumes with more than one color in the scheme (it'd be easier if there was a "blue one" and a "red one"- instead there's blue/gold/blonde, red/white/blonde, black/purple, teal/minty-green, etc.).

* One guy: "I started watching the Netflix collection of the stories last night. So far, liking it but not as much as Monster High. Is anybody else getting a religion vs atheist vibe to the series? Apple really reminds me of the Christian queen (word removed, do not attempt to circumvent the word filter) -Melissa, EAH Discussion mod. Moderator edit reposted 11/12/17 as it was removed by the user. from Easy A."

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