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Author Topic: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny  (Read 1260 times)

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Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« on: February 20, 2020, 02:34:44 AM »
A lot has been said about how selfish and demanding Apple can come across as during the movies and webisodes, and her mother doesn't exactly help. But the more that I think about it, here's an idea for an AU or fanstory:

Apple has Raven's Destiny, and Raven has Apple's.


Hear me out; Raven already has a Prince Charming lined up; it's Dexter. Raven is all about doing good, wanting to do things her own way, Apple is more on the manipulative side and maintaining a perfect image. Apple has already learned that she doesn't have Daring as a Prince, and EAH seems to want to not fully give her Darling as a Charming.
So imagine a story where Apple turns rotten, and Raven is the subject of a curse instead.

Discuss!


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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2020, 03:49:27 AM »
I agree with you.

Hereís my head cannon:

 Apple White poisonís Raven Queen, Dexter Charming comes to her rescue and kisses Raven breaking the curse.

Dexter and Raven are getting married and invite Apple White, who is then forced to dance in red hot shoes till she dies.

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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2020, 06:07:00 PM »
I had this thought from nearly the beginning and honestly expected it to come up in the storyline eventually. From Apple having blonde hair instead of black (I think this is mentioned in "The Storybook of Legends"  book as being inconsistent with her story) to their personalities and motivations, it would make so much sense.

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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2020, 07:26:46 PM »
That's an awesome and interesting theory! :D

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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 10:19:52 PM »
I've been thinking about this since the thread started, and I came to my own conclusion: The fairy tale characters made a huge mistake trying to rig fate.

In every fairy tale, there's a moralistic sort of fate that plays a significant role. You don't become the hero of the story just by being beautiful or rich, but by showing character and acting morally.

For example, Snow White may not do much, but she's shown to be a kind young woman who is capable of adapting to inconvenient living conditions. However, her step mother is selfish and wants the title of 'Fairest of Them All' for herself. In fact, in the original story, she tries to seal this fate no less than three times, each time more extreme than the last (sound like anybody we know? *cough*Apple*cough*).

Anyways, fairy tale heroes were not driven by status. However, in Ever After High, status is what the school is meant to bestow upon the chosen (who all happen to be rich and extremely beloved for vain, vapid reasons). By following the "rules" of the Storybook of Legends, I feel that they are no longer fulfilling fate's requirements for heroes to inherit or save the world, rather they are going against it by oppressing others.

Each hero, in an attempt to secure the future for their children (a noble goal, but still), causes untold harm upon others. Of course, we don't see the machinations that go on in the adult realm of the Ever After High universe, but we do see small instances of vanity (such as Apple's mother's... well, entire existence in Dragon Games).

The more Apple tries to live up to these ideals that go against the very ideals of fairy tales, the more she appears as a villain. In the end, no matter how afraid the characters are of the stories disappearing, they refuse to acknowledge that in all essence a story cannot be repeated across generations. That just makes no sense. Trying to force it to repeat merely brings ruin.

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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2020, 04:10:51 PM »
Okay, so I only saw a little bit of the Ever After High series on Netflix, but from what I did watch, this theory makes perfect sense. As someone who has read a lot of the original Grimm's fairy tales, I couldn't agree more with Wynnegan about the most virtuous character earning a happily ever after. Raven is kind; Apple is vain. The roles have definitely been reversed in the second generation.

The entire premise of the Ever After High students becoming the next generation of fairy tale characters never made any sense to me anyway. I mean, in the original fairy tale, the Evil Queen is Snow White's stepmother. Would that mean that Raven would eventually marry Apple's father? And also, the Evil Queen is married to the Good King, who is Raven's father. Is this Good King the same man as Snow White's father, making Snow White and Raven half-sisters, and Apple would be Raven's half-niece? Maybe I'm missing something because I didn't watch all of the episodes... :wonder:

Anyhow, I love your theory, Lady Frostbite. And I love Wynnegan's mini essay about her take on it! :biggrin:

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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2020, 07:04:58 AM »
Great idea, Lady Frostbite! I've also found the theory regarding Raven and Apple being switched at birth interesting, but not much has come out of that. I wish we could have seen Raven's father in the series and how much influence he had in his daughter's upbringing.


And also, the Evil Queen is married to the Good King, who is Raven's father. Is this Good King the same man as Snow White's father, making Snow White and Raven half-sisters, and Apple would be Raven's half-niece? Maybe I'm missing something because I didn't watch all of the episodes... :wonder:
I've heard that Raven's father is another Good King, but I'm not sure if it's confirmed. I don't recall Raven being mentioned in the cartoon as Apple's aunt 'though.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2020, 07:12:19 AM by Jade »

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Re: Idea: Apple has Raven's Destiny
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2020, 09:47:03 AM »
Great idea, Lady Frostbite! I've also found the theory regarding Raven and Apple being switched at birth interesting, but not much has come out of that. I wish we could have seen Raven's father in the series and how much influence he had in his daughter's upbringing.

Being switched at birth would make a lot of sense, actually! Raven is kind, like Snow White was in the traditional story, and has her dark hair, while Apple is vain like the Evil Queen and has blonde hair, very much unlike Snow White (Of course there is the possibility Snow White's husband is blonde or that Apple ended up with some random recessive gene. Or maybe Snow White has the recessive gene for dark hair. :shrug: Genetics is confusing!). Of course there has to be some reason as to why they were swapped, unless it was pure coincidence or accident. Maybe the Evil Queen has something to do with it, and is attempting to undermine the continuation of Snow White's story by raising Snow White's birth daughter (Raven) as evil, and Apple, being the Evil Queen's birth daughter, will be evil due to her destiny. If they're both wicked, there will be no second Snow White and her story will end. But Raven ends up being kindhearted, so the Queen's plans backfire.

Another theory could be that they weren't switched, by Raven took after her father, the Good King, and when the Evil Queen realized that her daughter wouldn't be wicked like her and continue her story, she decided to somehow secretly manipulate Apple to take on Raven's destiny. Maybe since Raven is creating her own destiny, the Queen is just letting her daughter's goodness push Apple towards wrongdoing. After all, Apple is really upset that Raven is "ruining" her story, and that could be enough to make anyone bitter.

I've heard that Raven's father is another Good King, but I'm not sure if it's confirmed. I don't recall Raven being mentioned in the cartoon as Apple's aunt 'though.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification. :)
« Last Edit: July 31, 2020, 10:17:12 AM by respositob »

 

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